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Community: Hang out with the Boleh family => Charity to our Fellow Bolehians => Topic started by: Reuben on September 28, 2007, 11:58:18 PM

Title: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Reuben on September 28, 2007, 11:58:18 PM
Update: she set appointment to see her orthopaedic at 15 Nov.

Please refer to:

http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=A00502

Details how to pay out now:

Maybank Savings Account
111039137777
REUBEN YAP WEN WUI

I remember RAN mentioning that her operation costs money that she can't afford. She has a recurring spinal problem that has made her unable to work.

The operation costs RM7,000.00 approximately.

She's also going through a tough patch at the moment.
The price of the operation isn't extremely high but is still beyond her means. Let's help RAN help herself as with her back fixed she can go back to being a teacher.

In the spirit of Ramadhan (although I'm not Muslim), I'm hoping people could chip in to help her out. I'll start by throwing in RM100. No peer pressure.

Don't make the payment yet, just want to gauge interest and see if we can get a meaningful sum.

Every little bit counts but only pledge if you are serious about helping out.

1. Reuben = RM100 PAID
2. Donkey = RM200 PAID
3. eye = RM200 PAID
4. tobecx = RM200 PAID
5. silencers = RM50 PAID
6. freeman = RM50 PAID
7. edan1979 = RM50 PAID
8. Dwolfren = RM300 PAID
9. dex = RM50 PAID
10. Louislee = RM100 PAID
11. Izzymaxx: RM100 PAID
12. chairman: RM100 PAID
13. ctrlaltdel2: RM100 PAID
14. redcable: RM50 PAID
15. verve: RM10 PAID
16. dann: RM55.55 PAID
17. mfi08: RM10 PAID
18. james2306: RM50 PAID
19. diablo: RM100 PAID
20. kiddc: RM200 PAID
21. yuzzm: RM50 PAID



Come on guys, doesn't need to be the full 7,000, every little bit counts and i'm very happy with all the generous contributions thus far.

Update:
As I have mentioned earlier, it is not a sure thing that RAN will go for the operation though it is the intention to do so.

After speaking to RAN, these are the following issues:

1) Her mom is quite sick and most of her time is still spent caring for her
2) An appointment will be made to reevaluate the cost of the surgery at the GH and see progress. An MRI scan had been done in the past confirming the problem but may need to be updated.
3) I will post an update here as soon as I receive an update.

At this point in time, I believe the best cause of action would be to wait till RAN can arrange her follow-up appointment and ascertain the things below:

1) Cost of the surgery and the scope of work including any preliminary checkups and tests
2) Her EPF withdrawal status to fund the difference
3) Her wishes as to whether she wishes to go ahead with the surgery
4) When it would be convenient for RAN and the doctor to perform the operation if it is decided to carry it out.

Now the question I need to ask the people who donated is

1) When should the payment be made? Once the cost is ascertained and whether she wishes to carry it out? Are you comfortable with me holding it until then or should I just release the funds before Raya?
2) What happens to the funds if RAN does not decide to carry out the operation (remember, this whole thing was not asked by her, it was my idea and it would be unfair to force an operation on her)?

Anyway several people have asked me who RAN is. As I said without revealing too much, she used to be an English teacher as because of her degenerative disc disease, had to stop work and with her EPF funds dwindling, it isn't really a long term solution for her. She is not related to me and her name is Rose Noordin. I know her as she was one of the earliest customers of BolehVPN and formed a friendship. She mentioned her back problem to me and NEVER asked for any assistance on this. All she asked me to do is fix her computer and get her VPN running.

I was thinking about it one day, thought it rather sad and was thinking, hey this community has the opportunity to become a place to help people and I thought this would be a good place to start.

Anyway I hope this clarifies matters. If anyone has any further questions, please feel free to pose them.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Schadenfreude on September 29, 2007, 12:00:05 AM
1. Reuben = RM100

Sure, I'll double that. (I'm not sure how to send the money though, but that's a minor issue that can be worked out)
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: louislee1991 on September 29, 2007, 12:00:29 AM
How to pay? Pay to BolehVPN?
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Reuben on September 29, 2007, 12:18:20 AM
Not sure yet, i don't mind doing it, I have a savings account that can be used to take in payments without problem but maybe i'll get RAN's bank details and have it go directly.

Will track payments through here.

Just thought it'll be easier for us to manage and send it in one lump sum.

Craptastic: later when we get enough ppl, u can pay via paypal to me and i'll pay on your behalf. Easy as pie.

I believe her op costs around 7k if i remember correctly.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Schadenfreude on September 29, 2007, 12:21:52 AM
Craptastic: later when we get enough ppl, u can pay via paypal to me and i'll pay on your behalf. Easy as pie.

Excellent, terrific news for me. Thanks!  8)
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: eye on September 29, 2007, 12:27:27 AM
hey, i would like to contribute rm200 too.

pls let me know when reuben, i will transfer the money to u via maybank2u.

thanks.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: tobecx on September 29, 2007, 12:30:08 AM
amount same as eye.just let me know when.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Silencers on September 29, 2007, 12:36:35 AM
Count me in for RM50.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: freeman85 on September 29, 2007, 12:53:09 AM
count me in for rm 50
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: edan1979 on September 29, 2007, 05:18:27 AM
as a malaysian we are known to be generous...

add another RM50 from me...
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Reuben on September 29, 2007, 08:35:15 AM
Just smsed RAN. Indeed it is 7k :P

her mom is still in the hospital not doing so well and RAN is coughing as well so she hasn't been frequenting the forums.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Reuben on September 29, 2007, 09:02:48 AM
btw i told her about it and she didn't say 'OMG DON'T GIVE IT TO ME' but instead 'bless you all!' sooo i guess this project is a go :P
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: DWolfren on September 29, 2007, 09:53:19 AM
I chip in around RM250-300 since I know she feel cos my dad will be having his heart bypass next year 28/1 (yup gonna celebreta CNY at the Hospital Kuching  :P ) luckily my dad is cover by the goverment as he is am retired govm servent.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Reuben on September 29, 2007, 09:54:05 AM
Nice! What should I put you down for? :P 250 or 300 rofl.

yay now we more than a 1000 :P

Good luck on your dad! Nowadays heart bypass surgeries are quite routine with the new technologies in place so I am sure it will be fine. My grandma lived a good long time after her bypass with no complications.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: dexbot.fallout3 on September 29, 2007, 09:55:50 AM
I'll chip in RM50 at the moment. :)
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: louislee1991 on September 29, 2007, 11:15:21 AM
Ill chip in 50
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: izzymaxx on September 29, 2007, 05:13:12 PM
I'll do RM100 as well, just let me know where and when you need to bank in the money.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: quadri888 on September 29, 2007, 05:22:10 PM
Put me down for RM100 and let me know the details of the payment when you have worked it out.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Silencers on September 29, 2007, 07:04:53 PM
I'll add another RM50 :)
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: ctrl_alt_del2 on September 30, 2007, 11:24:53 PM
I'll add RM 100.
Just saw this topic after being offline for a week or so.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Reuben on September 30, 2007, 11:59:34 PM
So I was wondering how you guys want this cash to be spent? I know it's for the operation but let's say we don't get enough for the operation what then?
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Schadenfreude on October 01, 2007, 12:04:40 AM
As long as it can help RAN in any small way with regards to improving her health, it doesn't matter to me.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: freeman85 on October 01, 2007, 12:07:08 AM
So I was wondering how you guys want this cash to be spent? I know it's for the operation but let's say we don't get enough for the operation what then?

medicine that can help her or it up to her to decide
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: ctrl_alt_del2 on October 01, 2007, 12:14:40 AM
Should be enough for down payment? I thought hospitals don't ask for full payment before doing anything?
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Reuben on October 01, 2007, 12:15:31 AM
well i mean she has to find the remaining money from somewhere right.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: tobecx on October 01, 2007, 03:21:26 PM
done reuben. well give it some time....maybe over a period of a month or so for others to chip in.hopefully we managed to get more than half.it doesnt have to be a 2 or 3 digit number per person. Is there any time limitations for this fund?
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Reuben on October 01, 2007, 04:14:03 PM
Well i'm thinking of sending it out during raya.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: freeman85 on October 01, 2007, 06:16:22 PM
Well i'm thinking of sending it out during raya.

if during raya maybe got more money
probably people will donate more  ;D


Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: izzymaxx on October 01, 2007, 07:54:19 PM
Well i'm thinking of sending it out during raya.

Might be a bit of problem for me as I might not be in town and go back to my moms hometown, might be away for a couple of days but if you can give me heads up would really appreciate it. Yeah the deposit thing will only work if she can manage to get the total sum at the end of the operation, and that itself will put a burden on them if we should ask to do that. Unless they can go to the hospital and ask the finance management if a large deposit with installment plans can work, then it should be ok. But other than that nothing everything should be cool.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Silencers on October 01, 2007, 09:12:59 PM
What's the total cost of the operation? If it's more than 50K then contributions from this community alone won't help. Is there another way to raise funds? I can blog [start a blog campaign] about it if there's a proper explanation and funding channel.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Reuben on October 01, 2007, 10:53:28 PM
7k
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Reuben on October 01, 2007, 10:54:12 PM
Well i'm thinking of sending it out during raya.

Might be a bit of problem for me as I might not be in town and go back to my moms hometown, might be away for a couple of days but if you can give me heads up would really appreciate it. Yeah the deposit thing will only work if she can manage to get the total sum at the end of the operation, and that itself will put a burden on them if we should ask to do that. Unless they can go to the hospital and ask the finance management if a large deposit with installment plans can work, then it should be ok. But other than that nothing everything should be cool.

you are welcome to pay now. requiem has paid already :P i won't run away with the money
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: louislee1991 on October 01, 2007, 11:03:01 PM
Well i'm thinking of sending it out during raya.

Might be a bit of problem for me as I might not be in town and go back to my moms hometown, might be away for a couple of days but if you can give me heads up would really appreciate it. Yeah the deposit thing will only work if she can manage to get the total sum at the end of the operation, and that itself will put a burden on them if we should ask to do that. Unless they can go to the hospital and ask the finance management if a large deposit with installment plans can work, then it should be ok. But other than that nothing everything should be cool.

So i pay to BolehVPN?
So i pay to Boleh VPN?
you are welcome to pay now. requiem has paid already :P i won't run away with the money
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Reuben on October 01, 2007, 11:04:28 PM
?

Don't see anything u typed louis.

Anyway i can take it now and send it out in raya in one chunk.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: dexbot.fallout3 on October 01, 2007, 11:06:22 PM
Will bank in this week. Waiting for my money to magically appear in my account. ;D
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: redcable on October 02, 2007, 12:09:43 PM
count me in.... RM50. Bank-in now....  :)
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: izzymaxx on October 02, 2007, 12:58:43 PM
Well i'm thinking of sending it out during raya.

Might be a bit of problem for me as I might not be in town and go back to my moms hometown, might be away for a couple of days but if you can give me heads up would really appreciate it. Yeah the deposit thing will only work if she can manage to get the total sum at the end of the operation, and that itself will put a burden on them if we should ask to do that. Unless they can go to the hospital and ask the finance management if a large deposit with installment plans can work, then it should be ok. But other than that nothing everything should be cool.

Should be in tomorrow or day after once I get a chance to head down to the bank. Also just to reconfirm the account is the same as your Maybank one right ?
you are welcome to pay now. requiem has paid already :P i won't run away with the money
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Schadenfreude on October 03, 2007, 12:53:53 PM
Since the pledges seem to have dried up, maybe we can start getting to the business of collecting the funds from those who pledged so that the collection can be sent as a lump-sum in time for Raya. Just a suggestion.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Reuben on October 03, 2007, 12:55:20 PM
Yea :P anyone can do the honors of chasing them? :P
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: ctrl_alt_del2 on October 03, 2007, 01:03:47 PM
Payment sent..@ 12:37PM
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: james2306 on October 03, 2007, 03:21:58 PM
its not too late eh?

count me in wit RM50.. will bank into reubs maybank tmrw around noon-ish
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: quadri888 on October 03, 2007, 03:33:23 PM
Just transferred RM100 into your Maybank account, Reuben... notification sent to your reuben.yap@gmail.com email.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: DWolfren on October 03, 2007, 06:23:55 PM
Double check,is it the same account as we pay for the bolehvpn service?if so then i will transfer the cash tommorrow  ;)

oops didn't check the 1st post  :P
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Reuben on October 03, 2007, 06:32:06 PM
Nope not same account slightly diff.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: izzymaxx on October 04, 2007, 12:29:31 AM
Already deposited into you account Erun, timestamp and details in your PM. If you need me to upload the slip just let me know.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: tobecx on October 04, 2007, 12:40:15 PM
Just a suggestion. what if, for every renew subscription ( for whom has been more than 3 months with bolehvpn or a newbie who feels like helping a total stranger , doesnt harm rite helping others ) add another rm 10? or maybe 5 or any figure.
sometimes i do wonder, what if one day i've been robbeb and nothing left with me and in a place everyone is a stranger. how la to ask ppl to  borrow 10 cent to make a call to home of frens?
sometimes we never know what we did ( good deeds la) in the past might help us in the future.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: DWolfren on October 04, 2007, 06:49:28 PM
I online fund transfer to your account this morning,RM$300 instead of RM$250,wish can give more  :-[
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Reuben on October 04, 2007, 11:09:24 PM
thanks everyone. :P and every little or large bit counts haha
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Silencers on October 05, 2007, 03:20:21 PM
Paid, payment details in your PM.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: holyorder on October 05, 2007, 06:33:54 PM
I shall chip some of my saving for RAN. Maybe tommorow
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: cannavaro on October 06, 2007, 07:47:22 PM
Er... is this RAN a total stranger, as in no one here has met her in person?
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Schadenfreude on October 06, 2007, 08:18:31 PM
Paranoid, are we? ;D
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Reuben on October 06, 2007, 08:19:18 PM
Er... is this RAN a total stranger, as in no one here has met her in person?

well no one knows me and is paying me tons of money as well :P
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Schadenfreude on October 06, 2007, 08:21:18 PM
Er... is this RAN a total stranger, as in no one here has met her in person?

well no one knows me and is paying me tons of money as well :P

Good one!  :D
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: DWolfren on October 06, 2007, 08:32:45 PM
Er... is this RAN a total stranger, as in no one here has met her in person?

well no one knows me and is paying me tons of money as well :P

Good one!  :D

agree  ;D

money can b earn but life cannot...so b generous in donating,any amount will do.trust me,it will make you feel good  ;)
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: edan1979 on October 06, 2007, 10:02:33 PM
just delivered my share to your account rueben...

we also never known ppl in indonesia/aceh/whatever donation our country decide to make.... we are one generous country... remember last time got 1 guy live his life just begging for money for 5 years and he own a BMW.... and a bungalow...
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: izzymaxx on October 07, 2007, 01:23:49 AM
Er... is this RAN a total stranger, as in no one here has met her in person?

well no one knows me and is paying me tons of money as well :P

Nice comeback. hehehe
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: dann on October 08, 2007, 02:20:59 AM
MBB transfer done on 10:43pm 06/10/07 rm55.55 (lucky number ;D)
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: james2306 on October 08, 2007, 05:43:47 PM
banked in RM50 @ about 4.45pm~ish today
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: PitBoss on October 08, 2007, 09:29:53 PM
When is the operation date? Can you RAN to update, where and when? UKM, UM or GH?

We have about close to 700 paid users, and I dont think it be too much if we give out RM2 for all collection of Oct/Nov as donation to RAN. Reuben, you with me on this?



Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: freeman85 on October 08, 2007, 10:20:13 PM
paid rm 50 ;D
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Reuben on October 08, 2007, 11:09:23 PM
As I have mentioned earlier, it is not a sure thing that RAN will go for the operation though it is the intention to do so.

After speaking to RAN, these are the following issues:

1) Her mom is quite sick and most of her time is still spent caring for her
2) An appointment will be made to reevaluate the cost of the surgery at the GH and see progress. An MRI scan had been done in the past confirming the problem but may need to be updated.
3) I will post an update here as soon as I receive an update.

At this point in time, I believe the best cause of action would be to wait till RAN can arrange her follow-up appointment and ascertain the things below:

1) Cost of the surgery and the scope of work including any preliminary checkups and tests
2) Her EPF withdrawal status to fund the difference
3) Her wishes as to whether she wishes to go ahead with the surgery
4) When it would be convenient for RAN and the doctor to perform the operation if it is decided to carry it out.

Now the question I need to ask the people who donated is

1) When should the payment be made? Once the cost is ascertained and whether she wishes to carry it out? Are you comfortable with me holding it until then or should I just release the funds before Raya?
2) What happens to the funds if RAN does not decide to carry out the operation (remember, this whole thing was not asked by her, it was my idea and it would be unfair to force an operation on her)?

Anyway several people have asked me who RAN is. As I said without revealing too much, she used to be an English teacher as because of her degenerative disc disease, had to stop work and with her EPF funds dwindling, it isn't really a long term solution for her. She is not related to me and her name is Rose Noordin. I know her as she was one of the earliest customers of BolehVPN and formed a friendship. She mentioned her back problem to me and NEVER asked for any assistance on this. All she asked me to do is fix her computer and get her VPN running.

I was thinking about it one day, thought it rather sad and was thinking, hey this community has the opportunity to become a place to help people and I thought this would be a good place to start.

Anyway I hope this clarifies matters. If anyone has any further questions, please feel free to pose them.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: freeman85 on October 08, 2007, 11:38:07 PM
When is the operation date? Can you RAN to update, where and when? UKM, UM or GH?

We have about close to 700 paid users, and I dont think it be too much if we give out RM2 for all collection of Oct/Nov as donation to RAN. Reuben, you with me on this?


i support pit boss idea

donating while vpn-ing  ;D
make some poll about this
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Reuben on October 08, 2007, 11:42:05 PM
I have spoken to Pit Boss regarding this Freeman and we do not want to make any commitment till the above issues are clarified and we will take the matter from there :P. I have also spoken to RAN about this and she agrees with me as well.

Also remember it's up to us what we wish to do with our income so it should not be subject to a poll.

This does not preclude future donation drives for other worthy causes but it should remain our discretion :P. It is our hard earned money after all.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: izzymaxx on October 08, 2007, 11:51:58 PM
Well for question 1, I'm with the the idea of waiting until she sees the doctor again for assessments then we can get an idea of what the next step will be. As for question 2, I've already said I'd pledge my part to help RAN and that money should be given to her, but I don't know about the rest. The little part I do to help I'll try and fulfill it. But this is just me.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: eye on October 09, 2007, 03:17:14 PM
This is my opinion :

Please release the money to RAN.

I do not know RAN personally. I wanted to help out because I have a very high respect and regards for teachers. And also because for my selfish reason of wanting to be a better person.

My offer to help out comes with no conditions. RAN can do whatever she wants with the money. And I believe and trust her to use it as wisely as she can.


Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Schadenfreude on October 11, 2007, 10:43:29 AM
Since Reuben is too polite to say it, I will: louislee please pay up!  :P
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Schadenfreude on October 11, 2007, 05:14:47 PM
Update from louislee: Pledge withdrawn!  :P
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: redcable on October 11, 2007, 05:36:48 PM
let her decide then Reubs....
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Reuben on October 11, 2007, 07:18:44 PM
Mmm okie will ask her

Update: she set appointment to see her orthopaedic at 15 Nov.

Please refer to:

http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=A00502

for information on her operation.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: bel0v3 on October 11, 2007, 11:21:06 PM
ortho??? RAN?? who?? what?? oh well..dunno whether is true or not..but since Reuben has asked ( and due to the fact that boleh VPN is good service)..i'll chip in RM50 too...sorry yah..cannot too much coz of "reasons"...hehehe...i'll try to bank into Reuben's maybank account tomorrow if can...
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: diablo on October 15, 2007, 10:51:33 AM
Have banked in RM100 15 Oct 2007 10:42:45. :) Happy holidays to all.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: kiddc on October 20, 2007, 08:43:43 AM
Donated RM200 to RAN's cause.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: yuzzm on October 20, 2007, 08:21:08 PM
RM50 from me . Already bank in the money - Time : 8.14pm / 20 October 2007.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: Reuben on November 01, 2007, 03:35:48 PM
to RAN:

Recommended chiropractor to deal with pain (one of my business contacts has a collapsed disc as well and she highly recommended these two):

Jen or Dr Green (012 6668138)

Husband and Wife Chiropractor team in Bricksfield KL

Regarding the operation she also said that there's another kind that's not too invasive and requires only small incisions and costs around 3-4 thousand.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help
Post by: louislee1991 on November 02, 2007, 03:10:51 PM
Just banked in Rm100 at Ampang Point. Time is 1456 and date is 02/11/2007
Maybank
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: MichaelE on November 05, 2007, 10:39:55 PM
Juz online bank in RM50.
Transaction Date/Time:  05 Nov 2007 22:32:33


Hope u get well soon.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: bel0v3 on November 11, 2007, 08:35:56 PM
dude...just bank in Rm 50.00 into the Maybank account at 7.57pm location Medan Jaya 1 Bintulu...sorry for the late bank in...forgetful guy wat... ;D ;D
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: RAN on December 11, 2007, 01:39:36 PM
Dear Bolehians,

Reuben requested that I write this update myself, so here it is.

I had an appointment with my Orthorpaedic doctor on 15th November. His advice is to wait and take my time to consider. It is major surgery and I should not rush the decision. Most patients whom he operates on are in worse condition than I am. A follow-up appointment has been set for 13th March, 2008. In the meantime, should my condition worsen, I can make an emergency visit.

He has asked me to do a search on Total Disc Replacement. The artificial disc used is called the Charite III. There is a 1% risk during surgery. An incision is made above the belly button. The spinal cord branches into minor nerves at the lumbar area of the spine. Some of these nerves may be cut and could result in weakness in both legs, and numbness in both ankles and toes post surgery. There are also major veins and nerves which must be moved aside. Major risks include bleeding should a vein be cut. A vascular surgeon is on hand to assist. Another orthopaedic surgeon will also be part of the team.

The cost is RM8,500, which may or may not include other fees. I got confused as he first said that the artificial disc would cost RM8,500, and he also said the surgery costs likewise. I hope to make this clear next visit. Financial help through, what I think, is a Government organisation, is also available to me once a decision has been made on surgery. I do not recall the name. I will need a better lumbar support post surgery than I have at present as well. As is the case with hospitals, a fee is normally required during registration so this fund can be used then. As the fund is not needed at present, I asked if Reuben would be willing to hold on to it, and to discuss it with all of you.

I wish to take this opportunity to thank each and every bolehian who has willingly, and generously, contributed to this fund. It shocked and totally surprised me. I am very, very touched that all of you were willing to give so much to someone you have never met. A mere thank you is insufficient to express the gratitude I have for your kindness and generosity. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.


RAN

Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Reuben on January 22, 2008, 11:31:40 AM
A little update. RAN is having some doubts about carrying out the operation due to the possible complications so she cannot decide anytime soon. She's still thinking about it and will undergo it if the situation worsens.

Meanwhile, I am thinking of using some of the money instead to get RAN a better lumbar support belt to help her in the meantime.

Her current one costs RM150 but she will get more info on this as to how much of the fund we can use and anything else that can help her.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: RAN on January 26, 2008, 11:14:46 AM
Some of my concerns.

http://www.charitedisc.com/charitedev/domestic/patients/whattoexpect_complications.asp
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Schadenfreude on January 26, 2008, 11:16:23 AM
The link isn't working for me... maybe the site is down.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: louislee1991 on January 26, 2008, 03:41:22 PM
It works for me

Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Schadenfreude on January 26, 2008, 03:43:38 PM
Yep, it works now.  :)
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Silencers on February 09, 2008, 11:47:01 PM
If RAN thinks the surgery is too risky and it will cause more complications to her current lifestyle, let the charity fund be saved up for rainy days. Who knows when a major disaster would strike us and we could use the fund to aid the victims then.

Either way, I think it's no cause for alarm, disappointment or worry.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Reuben on February 10, 2008, 12:13:44 AM
I expect an update on March :D
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Reuben on March 07, 2008, 05:06:58 PM
RAN will be sending me a receipt of her lumbar brace when she purchases it and I will post it here along with my payment to her.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Reuben on March 17, 2008, 10:53:03 PM
Final decision:

RM 500 to be released now to her Standard Chartered account with her producing the invoices/receipts as she purchases them later.
Remainder to be released upon full production of invoices/receipts.

Issue closed the following is just for record purposes:

Ok we have a little dillemma here. RAN has found out she needs some things to make her life easier regardless of the operation or not. That's fair enough.

She needs a special insole, mattress, some specialized cushions. She is being checked up but this is going to take some time so she needs to relieve the pain first. That's fair enough too.

She told me she was sourcing for the suppliers since buying it from the UK was rather expensive.

What I proposed was the following:

1) She source around for suppliers in the region to see if they have it. If they don't she approaches the UK peeps.
2) She requests for a quote or gives me their ordering page once she confirms her order.
3) And then either I release the money to her or pay directly to them and get it delivered to her.
4) The receipt is then posted here for all to see and deducted from the fund.

However she says she needs the cash in hand which I refused. She says it would make the ordering process easier since she needs a downpayment to order a lot of these things.

I told her that to get a quote does not require money. Just send me the quote or the ordering page and I'll do all that is necessary to get the items to her.

She continued to insist for it upon which I became suspicious and upset as it really was a simple process. I refused to budge and decided that it would be best to let you guys decide.

I'm really not here to keep the money but I just don't understand why she needs the money in hand and believe my process is fair, easy and transparent to all. To insist a deviation from that just makes me even more cautious.

I attach the entire transcript of our conversation for your perusal.

EDIT: Just for clarity's sake, decision will be made by simple majority for those who have voted. Voting time will be till the end of the week on 23 March 2008.


EDIT: For simplicity here are the options

Please make it clear which you are choosing!

1) Release the money straight away
2) Release the money only upon being presented quote/receipt/order page or have me pay for it and deliver it directly to her
3) Neutral
4) Release the money only upon surgery and not for support aids.
5) ADDED: Return all money to their rightful owners and leave it up to each person to donate personally to RAN or not.


EDIT UPDATE:

Seeing there is a divergence of views and the change of circumstances of the purposes of the donation, may I suggest that EVERYONE instructs me on what they wish to do with their portion alone and I will do the necessary.

a) Remit the money immediately to RAN
b) Remit the money back to the donor
c) Wait for documentation

Thank you.



Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Reuben on March 17, 2008, 11:13:35 PM
Guys please post your thoughts.

Tally:
Option 1 = 5 RM600 (sufficient for downpayment)
Option 2 = 2 RM200
Option 5 = 2 RM200 (including izzymaxx)


1. Reuben = RM100 PAID Option 5
2. Donkey = RM200 PAID Option 1
3. eye = RM200 PAID
4. tobecx = RM200 PAID
5. silencers = RM50 PAID Option 1
6. freeman = RM50 PAID Option 1
7. edan1979 = RM50 PAID
8. Dwolfren = RM300 PAID
9. dex = RM50 PAID Option 2
10. Louislee = RM100 PAID Option 2
11. Izzymaxx: RM100 PAID Reuben's call
12. chairman: RM100 PAID
13. ctrlaltdel2: RM100 PAID
14. redcable: RM50 PAID
15. verve: RM10 PAID
16. dann: RM55.55 PAID
17. mfi08: RM10 PAID
18. james2306: RM50 PAID
19. diablo: RM100 PAID
20. kiddc: RM200 PAID Option 1
21. yuzzm: RM50 PAID
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: dexbot.fallout3 on March 17, 2008, 11:18:28 PM
My views on this issue:

No receipt, no claim. Okay, so can't afford to buy it on her own, so let Reubs make the purchase and get it delivered to her. Reubs gets the receipt, RAN gets the stuff.

RAN could just get in touch with a doctor/specialist who can give/recommend her a list of retailers who sells the things she needs. Then she can hand the list to Reubs.

I don't see why she needs the money on hand other than to use the money for other things. The money is for her surgery, and now it seems it's for support items too, but not for her to spend on other things.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: A_Shoe_In_A_Can on March 17, 2008, 11:26:35 PM
Dear RAN,

I was about to donate too last month but i had to use my money on something else, and tonight i see from the conversation, i hope you understand that, Reuben want is that you gave him a quotation of the items you want to buy, is not really difficult, all you need to do is ask the sale person to list out the item price of your purchase including any shipment so that Reuben can make the transfer money to you.

Please "ask" for the receipt since this is normal in any occasion of purchasing, and the receipt is for proof of purchasing that will elighten donators that you are seeking help ..... .

.....

.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Reuben on March 17, 2008, 11:28:22 PM
I'm not even demanding for a receipt here as to have a receipt, payment needs to be made. I just want to be shown the order page, quote or even I'll make the order on her behalf.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: dexbot.fallout3 on March 17, 2008, 11:34:34 PM
I'm not even demanding for a receipt here as to have a receipt, payment needs to be made. I just want to be shown the order page, quote or even I'll make the order on her behalf.
Very sensible request, really. I don't see why that's a big deal.

Still curious why she beats around the bush about it.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: alpha on March 17, 2008, 11:37:04 PM
very suprising to hear dis...

since i didnt donate, so i am in no right to comment anything..
just hope that her current illness state can improve.

Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Reuben on March 17, 2008, 11:40:48 PM
May I request only those involved to give their comments since it only concerns them.

I have sent out an e-mail to all of those who donated relating to this issue.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Reuben on March 17, 2008, 11:47:59 PM
Just for clarity's sake, decision will be made by simple majority for those who have voted.

Voting time will be till the end of the week on 23 March 2008.

Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Schadenfreude on March 17, 2008, 11:54:04 PM
I have no objections to making my portion available to RAN whenever she wants it, but I also understand Reuben's standpoint, so i will leave it up to him for the final decision. I just want it known that I donated my portion in good faith that RAN needs it, and I will not hold anyone responsible if anything goes awry. And yes, the majority rule is fair.  :)
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Dato on March 17, 2008, 11:55:37 PM
This really should not be an issue.

As far as procurement from 'corporate funds", Reuben is absolutely spot on.

I understand that this may be perceived negatively by the other party concerned as it may seem an extra hurdle to overcome at this most difficult of time.

In my opinion it is better that all due diligence and corporate governance is covered before making payment to third parties. This covers the asses of all concerned.

I understand that this may appear to add unnecessary levels of complexity but the steps are relatively easy to achieve and all will be happy with outcomes.

Please obtain 3 quotes for each product required and submit them for consideration and then a purchase order can be raised with the supplier and deliver made.

All bases covered and integrity for all parties remains intact.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: louislee1991 on March 17, 2008, 11:59:08 PM
A resit would be nice or a quote to verify. Maybe i will ask my mum friend who is a doctor about this.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Reuben on March 18, 2008, 12:01:00 AM
A resit would be nice or a quote to verify. Maybe i will ask my mum friend who is a doctor about this.

This has nothing to do with a doctor kamikaze.

It's about how you wish the funds to be released which is not in a doc's scope.

but do what you feel like.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: louislee1991 on March 18, 2008, 12:02:41 AM
A resit would be nice or a quote to verify. Maybe i will ask my mum friend who is a doctor about this.

This has nothing to do with a doctor kamikaze.

It's about how you wish the funds to be released which is not in a doc's scope.

but do what you feel like.

No, i dont feel like realising the funds.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Reuben on March 18, 2008, 12:04:22 AM
A resit would be nice or a quote to verify. Maybe i will ask my mum friend who is a doctor about this.

This has nothing to do with a doctor kamikaze.

It's about how you wish the funds to be released which is not in a doc's scope.

but do what you feel like.

Nope

Nope what?
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Dato on March 18, 2008, 12:07:43 AM
Boleh Malaysia.

None of you would be in this situation in the civilized world where health care is universal.

Come on Malaysian stop think of each other by any stereotyoe other than Malaysians

You are a Malaysians and should be looking after each other.

Those who have income could start by paying higher tax, in the knowledge that it is doing good things for all Malaysians.

Wrong topic and I have said too much.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: izzymaxx on March 18, 2008, 12:16:23 AM
I don't mind either way she gets the funds in cash or payments being made on her behalf for medication/operations what sort. But Reuben its your call on how you want to proceed forward with this. I'm in either way you choose. I also think it best not to preach to others what they should or should not do.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Schadenfreude on March 18, 2008, 12:16:36 AM
Wrong topic and I have said too much.

Yes, and Yes. Just WTF is the point of your post Dato? Either make an intelligent point or STFU since this doesn't involve you in the slightest.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Dato on March 18, 2008, 12:24:56 AM

Quote
Yes, and Yes. Just WTF is the point of your post Dato? Either make an intelligent point or STFU since this doesn't involve you in the slightest.

Yes you are absolutely correct and apologies for any perceived interference.

My contribution was intended to highlight transparency in due process, because if this continues to be the case with further issues, then this Bule Gila may cough up some readies.

Ciao for now.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Reuben on March 18, 2008, 12:26:18 AM
on topic please. going to sleep.

feeling absolutely disgusted atm.

if ppl think that RAN is so helpless as to be not able to obtain a quote without money then so be it.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Reuben on March 18, 2008, 01:02:13 AM
Other option is I'm going to return everyone's money and you can feel free to donate to RAN personally if you wish to do it or spend it on yourself.

I want to wash my hands of this matter asap cause frankly I've lost all trust in RAN cause the more I think about it the more unbelievable it seems that getting a quote is so difficult or having me order it for her. This added to her roundabout way of replying to me and her evasiveness compounded the problem. In my opinion, a half day or less would not delay her order in any way. It seems the major justification is for her convenience and speed which is the only possible valid reason I can see.

However, if she agreed to my process of requiring an order page/receipt or quote, she would not have to wait for your consensus, and can proceed to get quotes and get it processed asap in half a day or less. Funny how getting a consensus from her donators is easier for her than getting me a quote.

This charity section will also be closed after the resolution of this matter as I don't see the point of this exercise anymore and regret it thoroughly for wasting everybody's and my time in organizing this thing.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Dato on March 18, 2008, 01:28:15 AM
When credibility exceeds integrity, it is time to move on.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: RAN on March 18, 2008, 01:39:54 AM
Before anyone misjudges me further, at least listen to my side.

As I am now 47+ and considered pre-menopausal, my gynaecologist suggested I have a Bone Density scan done to see if my spine has deteriorated. I had this done on 14 January, 2008. I wasn't happy with the the picture even though I didn't know what it meant, and I was right. The result sheet said
WHO Classification: Osteopenia
Fracture Risk: Increased

My orthopaedic doctor, a surgeon, noted this and said that any surgery, if necessary, had to be postponed. Osteopenia means that my Bone Mineral Density (BMD) is lower than peak, but has not become osteoporosis yet. If left unchecked, my spine will deteriorate further, so I am now on Calcium supplements. The bone density has to be high, otherwise it cannot take the hammering of the titanium implant to the two lumbar vertebrae. Furthermore, he said that my present condition does not require surgery yet.
Let it be known that surgery was not even considered by me when the fund was set up. I will opt for it when and if necessary. I have heard of cases where surgery was performed three times due to dislocation of the implant post-sugery, followed by infection that needed healing. As I said in an earlier post, there are risks involved, and I am considering if it is worth more than where I stand now.

I have bought the lumbar support I needed. I have a cashier receipt but thought it insufficient so I rang the pharmacy for a proper receipt which will be posted to me. I have not received it yet. I include two pictures of the lumbar support. The pic of the male model is the one I bought. The pic of the female model shows how the back looks like. Unfortunately, the back pic is very small. The receipt will be scanned and upped when I receive it.

As to the mattress, back cushion, seat cushion, and feet wear, let met state that they are what I needed but had let go off because we couldn't afford it. Since surgery is not an immediate option, I thougth of at least having these equipment to help my daily life. My present mattress, being spring enveloped by sabut, tends to sag after a while and I struggle to turn it over. Buying a mattress in not easy. Even after testing I'm never sure if it supports me well after a period of use. The seat and back cushion is to support my back, hips, and legs when sitting for long periods. Even with a lumbar support does not mean I'm discomfort and pain free. I have to live with it. The special insole is from a shop at The Curve, called ScheinOrthopaedics, specialising in insoles for people with back or feet problems that can be helped by wearing the right footwear. The insoles provide the right support to each individual's feet by first scanning them. It has to be ordered from Germany. I don't know if the insole can be worn with other footwear or preferably, by ScheinOrthopaedics itself. I have just spent almost 6 hours walking around a shopping centre because there was no electricity in the area from 11 am to 6 pm. My back is very sore even though I wore my lumbar support, my legs felt like collapsing, and my ankles were painful. I was wearing normal Comfit sandals that didn't provide me cushioning or support.

On why I feel having cash in hand is better. It helps make travelling, perusing, and shopping for the products less tiring for my parents and myself. They travel with me so that in the event I cannot drive, my father takes over. And of course, mothers like to be included. Please remember that our daily lives are no longer as easy and taken for granted as normal people. My mother too, would prefer to be able to purchase these items immediately if they are suitable and available, unless and only unless, they are not in the shop and have to be ordered. And, as I've experienced before, when ordering a product most likely the store requires that I pay a downpayment. I certainly would prefer that they did not as we can't afford to.

I know the fund was set up without my knowing, paid in good faith by those concerned, as Crappy has pointed out. So far, only one person in a much earlier post, has said that whatever monies he/she donated should be released as trust has been placed upon me to do the right thing. Yes, the fund was set up for surgery. But conditions have changed. Surgery may not be possible and necessary. In the meantime, I am facing hurdles every single day to live as normal a life as possible. I struggle to perform most things, from getting into bed, turning, or getting out of bed. I use a daybed so that I can grab the bars on the side to pull me up or to turn. Simple things as brushing teeth, washing dishes, or picking things up from the floor is not without effort. I may need an extender later if picking things up is harder than it is now. I cannot walk for long, even sit. Worse if my left leg starts to throb or if there is a pull somewhere. Nothing is comfortable. I have good days where its not too bad, days when its tolerable, and bad when even lying down causes discomfort. None of you will know what its like until you develop my condition.
The fund was set up for me. Did you trust me then, to do the right thing? It looks like most do not. The fund was set up to help me. I need help, and if trust was there, why the need for documentation to prove that I am really going to use it for honourable reasons? Its just extending time and making me work more. If I go to ScheinOrthopaedics to find out more about the insole and find it suitable, I would like to be able to place an order straight away. And I won't be surprised if they require a downpayment. Now I am expected to return home, present quotation or whatever to you, then make another journey back to the store to place the order. I live in Kajang, not around the corner from Mutiara Damansara, Petaling Jaya.
I understand about doing what's right. I don't understand the brouhaha about releasing the fund to the person its meant for, hindering easier excess to use it for no other reason than connected with the problems, and addding more unncessary burden. I suggested to Reuben to present this case to those concerned. What I didn't expect was for most of you to misjudge me and misunderstand my position, before I had a chance to explain. I could have been rude and just asked for the money out front, but instead have always discussed my position with Reuben. But this is not what I expected and am surprised. All I ask is that you consider my side before making a hasty decision.

I want to make clear to everyone here that my father is retired and none of us are working. We are living on charity. There is no pension. We lost our house to the bank then to Danaharta. We live in a low cost house in Kajang, paid for by an uncle for a year and a half. After that, its up to us. I am unable to work fulltime, and am trying to see if I can do something part time. However, it might not be sufficient for all our needs, as it already is. I admit all this because I am tired and fed up by the judgements thrown my way.

1.32am:
Reuben, you surprise me, after the talks on the phone, at the shoutbox, to say you don't trust me and whatnots because I asked for easier access to the fund set up to help me. Never in my mind did I expect so many to say negative things that are simply untrue. Instead of focusing on yourselves, people, why don't you have some empathy and imagine being in my shoes.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: RAN on March 18, 2008, 01:53:21 AM
Read my post above.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Silencers on March 18, 2008, 02:38:55 AM
Ok, now that I have heard from both sides, I think I can make a fair judgment.

Rather than have you traveling around, and perusing things and thinking whether or not you should get something, why not get the shops' contact info. Minimize the amount of walking and spend more time deciding. If you ever decide to go out and look for stuff, be quick about and get contact info. At any convenient moment at home, call up the shop and talk about your needs. You only need to make your trip once.

Phone calls should be able to get you the necessary info. Total price, downpayment, etc. quite frankly, I don't think a downpayment for such items would go more than RM100, even for a RM15k car you only pay like what, RM1k? That's less than 1%. So, best thing you should do is make calls, find out whatever necessary costs and I believe Reuben would gladly release the money to you. If the downpayments costs maybe RM300, call Reuben up and he'll give you that much and by then, you should be able to get an invoice for all of us to see. Heck, I think all of us would be happy to chip in the delivery costs, just so you don't have to leave home to get it.

As far as getting hold of an invoice, I don't think a shop that stocks medical supplies would not have a fax machine or scanner. Ask them to email it to you and it should be of no issue at all. I completely agree and sympathise with you for not being able to travel as much as you please, but I'm sure there are ways to do things without having you leave home too many times.

The next time you decide to search for your items, get a hold of the shops'/suppliers' contact number and make your arrangements from home. Being medical suppliers, I'm sure they understand how patients would find it hard to leave home sometimes.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: RAN on March 18, 2008, 03:06:23 AM
Thank you for your suggestion. However, you have entirely missed the point that this is not grocery shopping. This is an individual's medical needs. Just as much as I cannot phone a doctor and ask for  a prescription for any drug I want, email it to me, then go to a pharmacy to buy, likewise phoning medical supply stores and getting quotations and deciding from home is not the way to buy such personal items.
I had to look at a number of lumbar supports, try on a few, and get advice from the pharmacist before deciding the best one for me. I have to lie on a mattress to see how it performs, sit on a seat cushion to test firmness or thickness, sit against a back support to check if it does what it claims to do, scan my feet and do whatever the shop asks me to, to be able to suggest the best insole. I take it you have not bought any of these items for yourself or present when someone else did.
Even wheelchairs come in different widths, heights, and purpose. There are numerous considerations to think about when buying something personal as a medical equipment to last a lifetime, or until changes occur.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Reuben on March 18, 2008, 09:00:38 AM
I am a trustee of this fund and as such have duties to discharge which is to ensure that they are used for the purpose they were donated for which was for your surgery. This was slowly amended to include support aids (and I never said no here) granted not everyone agreed but most accepted, accepting that the fund was to help you with your medical ailments.

No one is doubting the severity of your condition nor making light of it so you need not reiterate that. In fact Rose the only time doubt crept in was when you kept on asking the money to be released to you straight away without what I felt were valid reasons. You did not mention the travelling nor anything of that sort and I would have gladly come up with my own cash if it incurred travelling expenses. Since none of these reasons were forthcoming and you evaded my simple questions, my alert was raised a lot further to the point of distrust especially when you went on about your condition which has NOTHING to do with the issue at hand. The issue is not whether you have a condition or not, it's about how to release the money to you. Please do not play the emotional card.

What alerted me further was when you said 'I consider the money as mine' which really it isn't yet. You are the beneficiary of it for a specific purpose. The donors still have a say and as far as I can tell, not all of them are happy with it changing to support aids but they accepted this after talking to them. Now to put me in a position to release the money to you without any proof, how should I answer to the donors especially after no good reason was given at the time? You have to realize that the donors still have a say in it and I being a donor as well have a say in it. If it was really yours, it would have been a lot easier to just remit the money direct to you from the beginning rather than letting me hold it as trustee.

Regardless whether I release the money to you now, or later upon production of an invoice or whatever, you still would have to travel to shop to evaluate these medical supplies. This fact does not change and the journey cannot be avoided. The only difference here is that you cannot get it there and then but even then, this does not preclude me releasing it to you in bits even without production of an invoice as long as you call me up and tell me and produce the receipt in a day.

Please don't go on about irrelevant things. The only relevant point you brought up is the transportation of the goods to your home which is NOT a big problem. Big items like mattresses need to be delivered anyway. And surely they have bank accounts I can bank in to without actually handing the cash to you directly. Any company that doesn't lol, well I suggest you don't buy it from them. And in any case, even with the small items you would have to try a few shops to begin with and have some time to think on what was best for you?

As I see it, you have not decided exactly what you require and still need to shop around. Till you have decided and come up with a list of things (which you would have to do in any case), it would be simply irresponsible of me to release the whole sum directly to you.

Since you have highlighted the transportation problem, I do not mind releasing say RM400 of it to cover for any downpayment or whatever from the people who do not mind releasing their money straight away (only taking it from their portion). Considering the amount is only 2155, I think RM400 should be sufficient for any downpayments you would need to make. I know you say you are not well off but surely you have some money for groceries and what not? Your computer purchase (even though this was assisted)/seedbox purchase shows that although your situation is dire, it is not in abject poverty that you cannot afford to come up with say another RM100 for less than a day upon which it will go directly back into your account. And it's not as if you would have to starve for or day or anything like that. Just send me the quotation/invoice and bam, the money is in your bank account.

The whole process is simple and there is no significant hurdle to you getting the money. You insisting there is one and focusing on your plight just reinforces my position in taking a cautious approach. This is not legal brouhaha or big talk about responsibility or morals. It's simple common sense and prudence where other people's money is concerned.

What is being weighed is

Convenience of being able to buy small items straight away and carry it home VS ensuring all the money used can be accounted for

You should not feel offended by this or treat this as an insult to the donors' trust in you if there is really nothing to be hidden.

I am acting as any charity would do and probably a whole lot more lenient. Saying that all of us are friends (which not everyone here knows you) and therefore should ignore this is misusing it. Try telling a charitable organization that do not understand your plight and should therefore release all donations to you without batting an eyelid and see how they react.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: kiddc on March 18, 2008, 09:29:54 AM
Hi all,

This is my first time posting here. I would like state my feelings on this case.

Since i have donated my amount to RAN to aid her in any way, then i will pay my donation amount. Its up to her to do what she please, I'm just happy to help her in any little way that i can. The money is intended FOR her.

As you all know, she is a disabled person. I certainly wouldnt ask her to go back and forth to the shop, asking her to prove this and that.

For example, you donate to a needy organization. You certainly do not ask for a summary or a report on how your money is spent. Well, maybe some of you do, but charity for me doesnt work that way. Money is pledged so that it may help the intended party in ANY WAY.

just my 2cts.
I say give her the money.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: freeman85 on March 18, 2008, 09:42:28 AM
i would follow what kiddc say
although my donation is small compared to others
the money is pledged so that it may help the intended party in ANY WAY
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Schadenfreude on March 18, 2008, 09:49:54 AM
I think that with kiddc, freeman and my portion of the funds okayed for immediate release, it's a good start should RAN need it for downpayment or immediate purchase of any particular items.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Reuben on March 18, 2008, 09:54:14 AM
There is now RM500 ready for immediate remittance.

Will see how RAN replies to it and upon her confirmation will remit the said amount to her which should be more than sufficient to cover any downpayment costs.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Silencers on March 18, 2008, 09:55:44 AM
I had to look at a number of lumbar supports, try on a few, and get advice from the pharmacist before deciding the best one for me. I have to lie on a mattress to see how it performs, sit on a seat cushion to test firmness or thickness, sit against a back support to check if it does what it claims to do, scan my feet and do whatever the shop asks me to, to be able to suggest the best insole. I take it you have not bought any of these items for yourself or present when someone else did.

Please pardon my ignorance. If that's the case, then I think it's okay for Erun to release it.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Reuben on March 18, 2008, 09:56:27 AM
Ok RM500 has now been pledged ready for immediate remittance to RAN for whatever purposes she desires.

I assume I don't need to get a receipt?
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Reuben on March 18, 2008, 09:57:12 AM
Silencers i put you in for the downpayment?
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Silencers on March 18, 2008, 10:19:40 AM
I say release it for the downpayment.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Reuben on March 18, 2008, 10:23:23 AM
Alright. Marked.

RM500 ready and no receipt is needed.

RAN please provide your bank account details.

Have e-mailed her requesting this.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: louislee1991 on March 18, 2008, 11:48:55 AM

For example, you donate to a needy organization. You certainly do not ask for a summary or a report on how your money is spent. Well, maybe some of you do, but charity for me doesnt work that way. Money is pledged so that it may help the intended party in ANY WAY.

just my 2cts.
I say give her the money.

KIDDC has a good point. If we donate cash to an organisation, they have the rights to do whtever they want to do with it. I will release my donation to RAN as well.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Reuben on March 18, 2008, 12:37:22 PM
Although i don't agree personally with the logic that is provided, for example you donate to tsunami organization they do not have the right to donate it to cancer patients, I will place your amount together with the down-payment.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Reuben on March 18, 2008, 12:40:26 PM
Seeing there is a divergence of views and the change of circumstances of the purposes of the donation, may I suggest that EVERYONE instructs me on what they wish to do with their portion alone and I will do the necessary.

a) Remit the money immediately to RAN
b) Remit the money back to the donor
c) Wait for documentation

Thank you.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Schadenfreude on March 18, 2008, 12:50:07 PM
a) Remit the money immediately to RAN

Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: izzymaxx on March 18, 2008, 01:08:13 PM
a) Remit the money immediately to RAN

Thanks.  :)

2nd that motion..... :)
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: kiddc on March 18, 2008, 01:40:18 PM
a) Remit the money to RAN.

Thanks again for doing this, Erun.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: louislee1991 on March 18, 2008, 01:47:59 PM
Remit the money immediately to RAN
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: james2306 on March 18, 2008, 02:47:24 PM
Option A for me as well

Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: RAN on March 18, 2008, 03:05:43 PM
I have always disliked trying to "talk" to people using instant messengers. Texts overlapped, conversations loose track, and before you know it everything is screwed and misunderstandings occur. Its just impossible to convey everything correctly without the subtle nuances of face expression, tone of voice, body movement, and a gut feeling that a person is being honest. Its unfortunate that what I had intended has ended up creating a negative environment.
I had initially wanted to "talk" to Reuben about my appointment with my doctor, the result of the Bone Mass scan, why it was done, what was advised, and the reasons why I then decided that instead of waiting for ever for a surgery that might not happen happen, why not use the fund to purchase items that I had put on the back burner to help with my condition. Before posting anything here, I have always consulted with Reuben first. The money was placed in the bank after I discussed with him and enquired if the fund could be kept until a decision was made.
I re-read the script that Reuben posted, and have to admit I made a hasty remark about asking for the fund to be released before going into the details. The conversation was not supposed to go that way. It started to go awry when Reuben's text continued on and I found myself unable to interject and explain  in full detail. It happens. Then he disappeared and posted his comment before I had a chance to post mine. It would have explained my reasons to all of you.

2.59pm: Reuben called me, and after an explanation by both of us, have cleared the air. All is well.


I wish to thank Crappy, izzymaxx, kiddc, kamikaze, and james2306 for agreeing to release their donation  to me. All downpayment, or receipts, and pics of products will be upped here. It has been my intention to be transparent to all of you too. If I have missed anyone, please inform me.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Reuben on March 18, 2008, 03:13:55 PM
Decision made already. This RAN very loh soh la what I saw as evasiveness was probably loh sohness. Should have known from the way she asks me for tech help....Anyway issue sorted and air cleared.

This is how it will go as per our phone discussion (please confirm RAN):

RM 500 first to RAN (will do so shortly) for her down payments, small purchases etc with receipts, invoices etc (just to ensure transparency) to her Standard Chartered bank account.
Remainder to be released to her upon full presentation of invoices and receipts.

I believe this suits everybody and will be closing this decision as final as soon as RAN confirms it here.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: louislee1991 on March 18, 2008, 03:14:31 PM

I wish to thank Crappy, izzymaxx, kiddc, kamikaze, and james2306 for agreeing to release their donation  to me. All downpayment, or receipts, and pics of products will be upped here. It has been my intention to be transparent to all of you too. If I have missed anyone, please inform me.

All the best to u RAN and get well soon
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Reuben on March 18, 2008, 04:16:59 PM
Rm500 remitted

Please see attached pdf.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: kiddc on March 18, 2008, 05:08:18 PM
*phew*

Everyone loves a good ending :)
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Schadenfreude on March 18, 2008, 05:31:58 PM
I wish to thank Crappy, izzymaxx, kiddc, kamikaze, and james2306 for agreeing to release their donation  to me. If I have missed anyone, please inform me.

You missed freeman.  :)
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: RAN on March 18, 2008, 07:32:20 PM
Thanks, Crappy.


Thank you, freeman!!


Note to all: According to Reuben-san, it will take a few days to clear the transaction. I will confirm receipt.

Thank you for your wishes, LL. And,errr, Ribbon....what is loh sohness?
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Reuben on March 18, 2008, 09:18:17 PM
long winded and round about :D
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: dexbot.fallout3 on March 18, 2008, 10:03:20 PM
long winded and round about :D
I second that. ;D
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: tobecx on March 18, 2008, 10:40:50 PM
Get well soon Ran.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: RAN on March 19, 2008, 04:55:12 AM
Thank you, tobecx.


What else is new, dexxy? If you don't say a bad comment about me, its not you, is it? But you forget that I have feelings.

Long winded and round about, eh? Well, some of the accusations thrown my way yesterday has opened my eyes to their behaviour and mentality. As I said to Reuben, you were all quick to aim and fire without first allowing me to post my explanation, giving me the benefit of the doubt.  I felt hurt and left with a bitter taste in the mouth. I shall be weary from now on.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Reuben on March 19, 2008, 09:25:11 AM
I meant the long winded and roundabout in a teasing sort of way, refer to my previous post :P

yes you know you are :P but i'm just teasing you about and was explaining what loh soh means.

Anyway let's not dig this up again shall we?
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: RAN on March 19, 2008, 10:55:12 AM
As a matter of fact, I have never believed myself to be long winded and round about. I have always tried to get to the point without being abrupt and curt, but I suppose I'll have to be. And it is my right to explain things to get to the point.
All I was doing below is to state to all concerned that their behaviour towards me was uncalled for and hurt me a great deal. Period.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: DWolfren on March 19, 2008, 07:58:44 PM
lol..I missing this few days happening,anyway I let you guys deciDE.
ps:get well soon RAN  ;)
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: dexbot.fallout3 on March 19, 2008, 09:54:18 PM
What else is new, dexxy? If you don't say a bad comment about me, its not you, is it? But you forget that I have feelings.
Okaylah, whatever makes you happy.
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: RAN on March 21, 2008, 03:38:37 PM
After two days of trying to log into the bank, I gave up and called Customer Care. Obviously have some memory loss. Duhhh! Confirmed receipt of RM500.00 from Reuben-san on 19th March 2008. Tchang kew!
Title: Re: RAN needs your help RM2125.55 Collected Thus Far
Post by: Silencers on March 21, 2008, 10:22:44 PM
Get well soon. Show us what you bought, yea? I have some aunts with spinal pains too so I could use some of that info in case they need to purchase some aids.